Greece VS Rome
If you have time, here is the video with Boris Johnson and Mary Beard:
Before Boris Johnson became PM he was defending the Ancient Greeks in debates.
Among others, he mentioned of course that the Greeks created democracy, theatre, etc and eventually... Rome itself (snap), which was practically 'based' on Greece (he meant to say 'rip-off' but he was being polite).
There's nothing easier than winning with the Greeks but... he lost (no judgement #not). 🙈
Thank you anyway, Boris. 🙏 I'm sure you'll make a great Prime Minister one day!
In my opinion though, this whole debate is unfair because they are comparing an empire which is richer, more uniform (i.e. same way of government) and more powerful, to dozens of Greek city states which of course differed from each other although they worshipped the same gods (Zeus, Aphrodite, Athena, etc.) and spoke the same language (Greek).
The debate could have been just 🦉ATHENS vs ROME (i.e. the Roman Empire) and still Athens would take them even though the population of the empire could have even reached 100 million people whereas Athens had nearly 200,000 inhabitants (which was massive for Greece; imagine that Sparta was estimated to have 50,000)!
One could argue (I know I would) that even what this city alone created was the foundations of Western Civilisation (cliché but true).
Speaking of civilisation, let's talk literature: the most famous Latin epic poem, the Aeneid (well, ok, not 'Fifty-Shades-of-Grey-famous' but it did pretty well), was practically fashioned after Homer's epics (Iliad, Odyssey - now that's famous!) in an effort to create a forced made-up connection (I kinda overdid it here but so did Virgil...) with the Trojans (people of the Near East), who had absolutely nothing to do with the Romans, who were of course Europeans (I mean seriously, Virgil...🙈)
They also compared the Greeks to an empire that flourished half a millennium after the 5th century BC (yes, it was that long later). Imagine comparing the Rennaisance (or however you spell that) to the 20th century....
You would expect to hear of amazing Roman developments 500 years later but... you don't (no, arches and cement that people mistankenly consider Roman inventions were actually not... sorry, Romans!). So:
SLAVERY wasn't abolished,
WOMEN didn't vote (actually noone really did since there was no Democracy),
EXECUTIONS were still used (a famous one being CRUCIFIXION)
and, so many centuries later, their idea of fun was to watch people kill each other (GLADIATORS or torturing Christians), sometimes even in Greek theatres which they turned into arenas... (something to think about next time you look at the Colosseum - Greek name by the way 😜 I know, the truth hurts. Don't hate the messenger!)
My answer to a lady who says that she would have felt better living in the Roman Empire is:
ask all the subjects of the British Empire (for which the Roman one has been an example) where they would have felt better (and if they wanted to be subjects)...
P.S. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 'ELGIN MARBLES'; IT'S THE PARTHENON MARBLES.
IF THE UK IS NOT RETURNING THEM, AT LEAST RESPECT THEM AND THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THEM BY USING THEIR PROPER NAME.
Thank you for reading! I look forward to hearing your thoughts, hopefully walking around the ancient ruins of Athens...