Greece VS Rome
The video with Boris Johnson and Mary Beard:
Before Boris Johnson became PM he was defending the Greeks in debates.
Among others, he mentioned of course that the Greeks created democracy, theatre, etc and eventually... Rome itself (snap), which was practically 'based' on Greece.
There's nothing easier than winning with the Greeks but... he lost. 🙈
Thank you anyway, Boris. 🙏
In my opinion, this whole debate though is unfair because they're comparing an empire which is more uniform, richer and more powerful, to dozens of Greek city states which of course differed from each other although they worshipped the same gods (Zeus, Aphrodite, Athena, etc.) and spoke the same language (Greek).
The debate could have been just 🦉ATHENS vs ROME (i.e. the Roman Empire) and still Athens would take them.
One could argue (I know I would) that even what this city alone (with about 200,000 people) created was the foundations of Western Civilisation.
They compared the Greeks to the Roman Empire which flourished half a millennium (or more) after the 5th century BC.
You would expect to hear of amazing Roman developments 500 years later but... you don't. (no, arches and cement were not Roman inventions...)
SLAVERY wasn't abolished,
WOMEN didn't vote,
EXECUTIONS were still used, a famous one being CRUCIFIXION
and, so many centuries later, their idea of fun was to watch people kill each other (GLADIATORS), sometimes even in former Greek theatres which they turned into arenas...
Let's talk literature now: the most famous Latin epic poem, the Aeneid, was practically fashioned after Homer's epics (Iliad, Odyssey) in an effort to create a forced made-up connection with the Trojans (people of the Near East), who had absolutely nothing to do with the Romans, who were of course Europeans...🙈
My answer to a British lady who thinks she would have felt better living in the Roman Empire is:
ask all the subjects of the British Empire (for which the Roman Empire has been an example) where they would have felt better...
P.S. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 'ELGIN MARBLES'; IT'S THE PARTHENON MARBLES.
IF THE UK IS NOT RETURNING THEM, AT LEAST RESPECT THEM AND THE PEOPLE WHO MADE THEM BY USING THEIR PROPER NAME.